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Hello, I'm Rachel Richards and welcome to Teenagers Tntangled the audio hug where we use research by experts and our own experience to discuss everything and anything to do with parenting teenagers.
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Hi there. I'm Susie Asli, mindfulness coach, mindful therapist and musician, and mother of three teenagers, two of them are twins.
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As a parenting coach, mother of two teenagers and two bonus daughters. I've seen the transformative power of getting people together to share ideas and support each other. So here we are. Welcome, pull up a chair. And let's begin. Now Susie, Nikki contacted me via our Instagram page to ask for support after a parents evening that totally triggered her. The feedback on her son was consistently that he's lazy, he doesn't try, chats in class, you get the picture, right? This is one after the other of people saying the same thing. Poor Nikki came home after an entire evening of this and simply lost it with her son. And we've all felt like that at times. Anyway.
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I had a chat with her about it.
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And she suggested we make a podcast about how not to overreact. And I thought wow, what a great idea.
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Yeah, brilliant. I mean, we all we overreact, don't we? But it's when it's inappropriate. So that's what we're talking about based on our own triggers, rather than the actual event.
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So I loved that. But it also made me think that we could do a double podcast. So we'll do this one.
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And the next one, we'll talk about how you can communicate with teachers when they're teenagers, because she didn't have her son with her. And there was a side of me that thought if he'd been with her, that might have felt like a different relationship, because she could have been coaching her son rather than having to listen to the teachers telling her what a horrible son she had, or that's how she took it. Yes, yeah. So thank you, Nikki, for raising a brilliant topic.
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Any feedback is good. Lovely suggestions.
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So before we talk about that in depth, let's discuss our nuggets of wisdom.
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Now, let's go for you, Susie first.
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Okay, so mine is related to this topic of overreacting. And it is relating it to myself in that there's been quite a lot going on in our family for the last couple of weeks. Various aren't going to bore you with any details. I think it's a common thing with parenting teenagers, we're left emotionally holding a lot of things. So we might not be doing as much on a daily basis as when our kids were little. But the emotional burden, I don't really like the word burden. But the emotional strain is a strain, When we're giving energy it's depleting us. And there's been a lot of that for me in the last couple of weeks. And then something happens, which was irritating, and I overreacted.
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We fixed the actual thing, but I took that as a symptom. So I think overreacting can sometimes be a symptom that we are a bit out of balance. So if we have a practice, which I have done for a long time of you know, getting to know my own patterns, my own my own normal reactivity, my own normal response patterns, and when they change, then it's an opportunity for me to go, oh, hang on, what do I need, and there's something I'm not giving myself or guessing or I'm not rested properly. And it was exactly that. And I talked it through with my partner. And I was really tired, really overwhelmed by some of the things and so I made a conscious decision to do less this week.
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And I'm fortunately able to do that. And just make sure that I take a bit bit more care of myself this week to get back into balance.
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And I love that because it reminds us that even with someone who's a practitioner who does this all the time. It's a dynamic situation. And it's about just self awareness and being able to help ourselves rather than saying, Oh, I fixed that. That's not a problem anymore.
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Yeah, daily practice.
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For me, I told my daughter that I was researching overreacting and - apropos nothing - she said, Well, the reason my friends tell me their parents don't get to hear anything is because they either think the parents don't care, or that the parents are going to overreact. And I thought, gosh, okay. Now you're making it really clear to us why this is actually such a big problem. And I thought about my relationship with my kids and what I'm always aiming for - not always succeeding - is that I want them to know that if something goes wrong, the first thing they do is call me. Not that I'll fix it, but that I'll help them walk through what happened and how they can deal with it themselves. So I don't charge into fix things. What I don't want is for them to say, oh my goodness, I've done something really stupid. Don't tell my mom. Yes. Which is what a lot of teenagers end up doing.
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and When I first became a parent, I thought my job was to be all 'I know everything'. but it's not that at all. Which is hard to get your head around anyway.
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I wish people could see you doing the impression of your daughter that was quite funny. She does like a head wiggle thing. It's brilliant.
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Yeah, well, maybe we'll get onto TV at some point. You never know. You never know. I think we'd have to brush
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I know and I gotta get out of my running clothes.
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our hair, then wouldn't we?
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Before we get into the nitty gritty of how not to overreact. I've been reading the most fantastic book suggested to me by another listener called Libby. And it's called when you lose it, and it's written by a mother and daughter, Roxy and Gay Longworth. And it brilliantly lays bare the complexities of building a relationship and coping with the sort of world we're living in, and the sorts of pressures that we're under and our children are under. And you know, our teens who've got mobile phones who were exposed to all sorts of stuff that we just never dealt with. So I highly recommend it. And I'm going to include it in the references and I will put it into all the podcast notes where it is relevant but it's a great book.
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Wow. Amazing that they actually wrote it so and brave of her to spill the beans because you know, that's that's tough,
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very, really.
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Each of them has written each event from their own perspective. Amazing.
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Now, How to Stop overreacting.
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Oh, well, that's mindfulness.
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It's mindfulness- it is mindfulness.
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And so what we want to do is we want to get to the point where we respond rather than we react.
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Yes. And that's practice and awareness and all of that, which takes time, but we can go into, into into the
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Yes. And there's internal overreacting techniques.
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people who react by going inside themselves and going into a cycle of misery and unhappiness or whatever. And then external overreacters - which is what we're more used to, which is people who shout and get upset.
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Yeah, we have like patterns, don't we? Reacting is a normal human response, we react to stuff that happens, it's just a reaction. But when it's an overreaction, then then we're probably tying in all sorts of other things into it.
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And then we go quickly into survival response, which is fight flight freeze. So the internal reactors that might look like flight, freeze, and then the external would be the fight. We all do all of the responses, but we tend to have a tendency, so just even being aware of which one your norm is, is really helpful. And then you can go, oh, yeah, that's what's happening right now.
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And you can't help the fact you're going to feel something, what you can help is how you deal with it.
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Exactly that. So we come back to the whole Victor Franklin thing of, you can't choose your circumstances, but you can always choose how you respond. And that doesn't mean it's easy. But it's always a choice. So what we do when I'm teaching mindfulness is we have you react, it's a normal thing, it's a normal thing. And then we build in a buffer zone, which is where we stop, we notice that we're reacting, we stop, we do whatever we need to do, which is maybe you take a breath, do whatever tools and practices that you know, help you and we can share some of those. And then you can make a conscious choice, which is a response, which looks usually very different from a knee jerk reaction, but it's consciously building in that buffer zone and practicing it.
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Yes. And I read that when we habitually have a difficult time, with regulating our temper. It's because you've got a weak connection between your amygdala - this sort of ancient part of the brain where the chimp is, yeah, and your prefrontal cortex, which is the thinking part of the brain, and the more you can practice this sort of unpicking what's going on, the stronger that connection will become, and the easier you'll find it to actually regulate and not just tip over.
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It's interesting they call it a weak connection, because I think it's that sounds normal, like, our amygdala is the prime processing. Yes, it's just a reaction, isn't it? And that could be based on your, you know, your life experiences as to how sensitive you are. But it's I think it's pretty normal.
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But the conscious choice bit, the practice bit is where we as humans can make a difference.
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So I'm going to come up with an acronym but before I just move into that, this does remind me of the Chimp Paradox, which I mentioned that Episode No, like three or something, which has been transformative in the way that I talked to my kids. The idea is that we all have a chimp that we're born with. It's not your fault, which chimp you've got.
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Mine's ultra competitive. But you do have to train it. So you can't just say, Oh, I'm sorry.
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It's my Chimp, I can't help it.
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In the same way that you can't just say that's my dog. I'm sorry, it's bitten you, but that's just my dog. Since I've read the book, The Chimp Paradox. I've used it frequently with my kids where one of them was a very overreactive personality. And I'd say, darling, I can see your chimp.
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It's come out. And my other one who has a very active chimp that tells her she's got to constantly study, I've just said we need to gaffa tape that Chimp, tie it to a chair. And you need to just say yes to the stuff before your chimp can say no, because the chimp always comes up and says, Oh, no, that looks too much fun. And you need to study
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Oh, can can we borrow it?
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No, actually, can I just say everybody goes, Oh, how wonderful. But I think people who overstudy and don't really have fun, it's also a problem. All of parents think that's amazing. And wow. But actually, I think that's also a problem.
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Yeah. So can we just share it?
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Yeah. So coming to the acronym that's going to help us. I read lots of little different bits, and this was the one I liked most and it's from Albiona Rakipii, The Parenting Reframe, and she uses Pause, Acknowledge, Respond, Reflect; a four step practice. So pause; Let's say I've been at this parents evening, I'm so cross.
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So we're coming back to Nicky scenario. And I'm losing my mind over this. The pause gives you time to breathe, and why do we breathe? What's so important about the breathing Susie?
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Well, the breathing is the thing that regulates us and brings us back down away from the fight flight freeze into being able to manage and then you know, our brain can think rationally again, and we our nervous system gets disregulated because we're completely out of whack. But that is the most important step.
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It's the stopping and the pausing. And we do need to practice that. And when we start doing these kinds of things, we won't notice it in the moment because you're it's a nanosecond, that reaction is kind of like a volcano inside sometimes, isn't it? But it's practicing. Oh, that's coming.
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That's coming. I need to pause and recognize it.
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I'd say with the very deep breathing you're tricking your brain, and that chimp - into calming down, you're going it's not a problem.
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And they go oh, okay, yeah, I can calm down
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exactly that. And you can do various things. I mean, you can make it really simple. If you're iyo in the middle of that teacher conference. And you can't just go hang on, I'm going to step outside, because you've only got that five minutes silly slot online. You can literally feel your feet on the ground and your bum on the chair, and have that feeling of weight in your body.
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Perhaps place your hand on your heart, if that doesn't look weird for the teacher. And just really focus on your breath for just three breaths that will give you something it's not as good as doing it for a minute, but they will give you something, anything like that.
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And it really can be a few seconds, and it can bring you back enough for you to go oh, I'm overreacting.
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and then acknowledging it. So you pause and breathe. And then actually say, Okay, I am overreacting, right now I can feel that there's a big, volcanic response here. And what we're trying to do is learn to be aware of cognitive distortions, because these are automatic thinking patterns that click in when something happens. Very often they were formed in childhood, like having an authority figure; a parent or teacher with a high level of perfectionism, with critical and unrealistic expectations, and it triggers you when you're in a situation where your kids not being perfect,
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and that's the reactivity but it's unconscious.
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It's a reaction. And that's where why we have to step in consciously and practice not reacting.
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Yes. So you need to sort of in the moment, pause, acknowledge, okay, this is I can feel this as an overreaction. You can't always do anything about it, because we're human beings. But what you're trying to do is respond, not react. So once you've acknowledged the state you're in, you can sometimes trick yourself into calming down a bit, and then say, right, should we talk about this? A bit calmer, you can step away, you don't have to give a response straight away.
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I do that regularly with my kids. I did it on Friday, I was talking to one of my kids who would have done something and we were falling out on the phone and I just went I'm too annoyed to talk about this right now. I'm gonna ring you back.
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Yes, yes. And you're what you're doing then as well is you're teaching them that that's okay. You don't because I think what happens and I've spoken to my kids about this as they get this feeling that they think the second they've read a message they're supposed to respond by and this is their language they and they keep saying to me mommy, I can't open that message. Because once I've opened it, I have to respond. Which is a bit weird because It means that you are constantly in a spiral, someone's got to respond. Sounds good. And it's very stressful.
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And I constantly say to my kids, you know, you don't have to respond straight away. When someone asks you a question, it's okay to breathe and think.
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And a more considered response can be really powerful. And then so we've got, pause, acknowledge, respond, and then the really big one, which is reflect, and the reflect stage, is asking yourself the big questions. Why did I do that?
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You know, what could I have done differently? Did it even matter?
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And this is where you're going to learn the most about yourself, where we learn the most about ourselves. And what we can do is, if you are minded to write things down, you can sit down and reflect and think what, what happened behind that.
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And do I do this regularly? is it usually a similar thing?
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Yeah. And we can add a big old massive dose of self compassion into that one as well. That's really important, because we will flip out, of course we do. And the more you practice, the quicker the process gets, as well. So you can get like a feeling, oh, I'm about to freak out about this thing. Or it's that again. Yeah.
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And recognize it. So it's quicker. It's a quick process, you know, what's going on. And that's the whole point of practicing and awareness. I love that. But we need to have self compassion. We're human beings, we get pushed, maybe you slept badly last night, maybe there's other stuff going on. And you know, you're doing the best you can in this moment. And you're a human being having a normal human response. And yes, maybe you could make different choices next time. But you did the best you could in that moment. Yes.
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Otherwise, it turns into shame.
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And you know, we can be really hard on ourselves.
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So when you're reflecting, there are things that you can sort of drill down into. So what was it? Was it surprise; Did I get surprised by something that I didn't think was supposed to happen? Was I suppressing something? So a friend of mine blew up, because somebody who was sitting at a meal got up and went to read the paper. And, her response was, oh, great, you know, I do all this work, and nobody appreciates it. In reality, it was because over the whole day, or a few days, she'd been feeling like, nobody really appreciated her role.
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That's classic. And it reminds me of the, of the image of when you're suppressing whatever, you're pushing a balloon under the water, or a beach ball under the water. And the effort required to keep that under the water is huge. And you're keeping it down, you're keeping it down. And then of course, it's you're gonna move slightly, and it's gonna pop up.
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And then it's exploded. So it's important that we, yeah, we acknowledge it before it has to explode.
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And so that's a really good way of imagining what's going on there. I love that. Also ask is this is similar to something that's happened in my past? That's called flooding. Which is where it brings up old memories, old things that triggered you in the past and then you haven't let go of yet, or haven't been aware of. Also symbolism. So you might be unconcsiously thinking this someone questioning what you've just said means they have no respect for me as a parent. You know, you may think that and they may think, oh, no, I was just asking a question. But you've, you've added so much more to it because of a painful supposition. So for example, based on your questioning of what I've just said, I assume you're going around raising questions about my competence to all these other people.
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And that brings us to how much we presume and how much is true. Yeah. Is it true?
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We make up so much stuff, and we're not aware that we are making up stuff. So I have a little practice a little illustrations.
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Oh I love these.
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And it's really simple. And yeah, if you want to join in at home,
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close your eyes, not if you're driving, but...
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yeah, don't fall over. But if you can close your eyes, it's just the idea is you keeping your gaze internal, you can focus a bit better. But if you can't then just keep moving.
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So just listen to these sentences and see what happens.
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So here comes the first one. Sam was on the way to school. Yep.
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She was worried about the math lesson. She wasn't sure she could control the class again today. Ah, it wasn't part of a caretakers duty. What normally happens, and I do this all the time with clients and in groups, and everyone goes, Oh, yeah, but Sam was a boy or that was confusing or whatever. We all have different responses to it.
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And sometimes we even have a whole visual picture of what someone will look like. And the point of the story is that we get a tiny fragment of fact, and then our mind fills in all the gaps and it fills in all the gaps with our own experiences, our own memories, our own stuff, our own presumptions. And then we presumed that the gap fillers are the truth.
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And respond using that Until we get new facts that then contradict. And then we go, oh, hang on a minute, we shift gear, and then we fill in with new gaps. And we're doing that every single day. And most of those gap fillers are stuff that we have made up. So it's really important that we learn to step back and go hang on a minute, which part of this is fact? And which bits - probably 80% - have I made up? And the more we can build that awareness and get that sort of gentle questioning, sowing those seeds that it might not be true, it might be true, but it might not be. We don't get into so many sticky corners of expectation and presumption, and all of that, which, which leads us into tricky places.
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Right? That's brilliant. And it's not just my mind. It's everybody's mind does this. Everybody. And we need to unpick what's actually in our suppositions.
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Also just having an open mind and just being curious about stuff rather than presuming we have all the truths.
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Absolutely. So there are things we can do ahead of time. Now, because we've done P A. We've become aware that we have we filled in these gaps.
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And one of the things we can do is have a curious mind rather than a judgmental mind. Because if you have a curious mind, every time you dig a little bit deeper, you get more information. And hopefully, you make fewer mistakes about what's really going on there.
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Absolutely. And it just opens it up. So our mind is made as a survival thing. And it divides the world into safe, unsafe, safe, unsafe, safe, unsafe. And that is how we judge everything. So black and white thinking, and that's why we become so reactive. Yeah. But if we can change that and go, Oh, curious, what does that mean?
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What does that mean? We can unpack with an open mind, and we reveal stuff that we would probably never have even thought of in the first place.
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So if the Nikki came back, knowing about that technique, what she possibly would have done, either in the actual meetings, although they were very short, which makes it very difficult. But she could have sat down and said, So I heard this. Yeah. So what's behind it and helped him discuss it rather than getting very upset?
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Yes, or just sort of putting presumptions to one side. Because maybe she's right, you know, maybe her first response is right. That's another point, you know, you might be right. But you might be wrong. That's the point. So we need to test it out. Nonviolent Communication is an amazing thing. Marshall Rosenberg, who is unfortunately no longer with us. But he's written lots of books. And it's a way of negotiating a way of difficult situations by doing lots of communication. And one of the things is that you sort of feed back with an observation. So not emotionally, so she could have gone, oh, I went to parents evening, and this is the feedback I got. That's fact, and then see what he says about it.
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Andthen unpack it that way, instead of going in with an emotional accusation, or being annoyed, which would be very understandable, not judging her at all. But to go in with a neutral observation, and then just seeing what, what is his response to that? And then then taking it step by step that way, which would be a good way of doing it.
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Yeah, I love that. And it's things like identifying your triggers. So for example, if my kids have messed up my kitchen at the weekend, and it's upsetting me, it really helps to actually write it down, so that I know that these things will bother me, and then I can make sure that they don't sneak up on me.
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So I suppose with her situation, what could have been more helpful to her as well? Because I always do this with my kids as before I go to a parents evening, I say, What do you think they're going to say about you? I always ask my kids because I'll get a sense of what to expect. They'll either be looking uncomfortable, or they might contextualise what I'm about to hear so I've got a little bit more information beforehand. Labeling our emotions is important; so instead of saying, I'm really upset, learning to unpack the emotion so that it's not just a generic emotion. for example, I'm cross. So why am I cross?
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I'm cross, because it's embarrassing for me to sit in front of teacher after teacher telling me bad things about my son. It's made me feel like a bad parent. And I didn't expect it. So it then caught me off guard. Yeah. So you could actually use all those words to explain exactly what went on there. So you're also teaching your son or daughter, that there are more words to expressing your feelings than just saying I'm upset.
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And one of the things of the nonviolent communication is voicing your needs. First of all, you have to know what they are. So maybe sitting for a moment, and well, what are my needs in this? And of course, it's about her son this but it's her overreaction that I think was the was the point of it. What were her needs in it? Which is similar to what you were saying, But why is she reacting so strongly? And what does she need for reassurance?
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Does she need a conversation with her son to work out whether this is going to be a repeated thing? What does he need in this for it to change? You know, it's all about unpacking, rather than jumping in with a reaction in a black and white judgmental way.
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And in order to help yourself there are two distancing techniques. So one is self-distancing. So removing yourself and pretending you're your best friend, or someone that you trust, looking at the situation, what would they say?
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What would Suzie say about this?
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Or you can use temporal. So time distancing. So five years from now, is this going to be a massive deal or am I going to laugh at this? And say, do you remember the time when all those teachers said you were awful, but now look where you are?
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Good points, right?
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I mean, I've had lots of conversations with with one of my kids particularly about, about this kind of thing. It wasn't, a parents evening, but he's found doing A levels really hard for various reasons. And it's always a mixed bag of everything. But I've had lots of these kinds of conversations.
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And I think what I do is I try and be as calm as possible before I have the conversation.
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I always try to if I can say, I'd like to talk about this. Is this a good time for you?
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Because that's really important and it shows respect, that you're taking the conversation seriously; that I don't want to vent. I'm not having a go at him. I want to have a conversation with him. I love that. Ask when is a good time for you? And sometimes he'll go, oh, now can we get it over with.
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And sometimes I'll go later, I'm not in the right space. And usually, you know, in the morning is not a good time to be having a conversation and it needs both people need to be receptive for this. Well, how about tomorrow then? Okay, great. Let's do it then. But that's really important. It shows respect. And it also makes sure that you're both in the right frame of mind, and then being as open as possible. And your tone of voice is really important, like, so. Tell me what you think about this? And then they say a little bit.
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Okay.
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You sound curious.
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What do you mean by that? OK tell me more. I don't quite understand that. Yeah.
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What about when you're just you're unpacking in a in a curious way, so that you can actually get to the crux of what it is. And then you can absolutely bring your opinion.
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And I find that unacceptable, for example, or, okay, I understand now why you're struggling, that makes perfect sense to me. What can we do about it? You should have no expectations of the conversation where it's going to end. You don't know yet because you haven't had it.
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Yes. And linking into that is training yourself to stop using judgment words, like, the negative would be 'I MUST get my kid to pay more attention' and changing that to 'how can I talk so that my kid will listen more?' Yes.
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Flipping the script so that it becomes a much more open positive thing. Retraining our brain. So, you know, once you've actually found something that always triggers you, and you found where it comes from, you can use things like affirmations. I've used affirmations a lot in the past because it takes time for our brain to catch up, and for habits to change. It's not going to happen overnight. The fact that you've noticed something is the start, it's not the end. So if I'm thinking I really need to stop thinking that way I'll just write it down on a post-it and put it up on the mirror where I brush my teeth. Then I remind myself to think that way, because then the habits start every day. It's helped me in my career when I felt I was promoted very fast. And I thought, What am I doing? Why did they trust me to, you know... and I've done it with my kids as well. And it's really helped them. Because sometimes it's hard to get over those hurdles that just keep coming back. And you forget,
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it's really interesting hearing you say that, because I've not been that fond of affirmations. But when it's done like that, I think that's really helpful.
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I don't like the verions which is 'oh, you're brilliant' when you're feeling terrible, because it just means you're negating the feeling. No, it's about retraining. Once you've found a specific thing, you can use it very specifically to help remind yourself of something you've said you're going to do. It's like the New Year's resolutions episode that we did. Just micro- changes, and just focus on one thing, don't try and do lots of things. One thing, right?
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I think I do think going back to what you just said before, timing, I think is actually really key in all of it. It's like the timing of your conversations. I think when we feel reactive, we feel like we have to fix it now. Yes. And the knee jerk reaction is immediate.
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It's like, it's like an emotional vomit. Like, I've got to get it out now.
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And you want to get rid of that horrible. Yeah, you've made me feel this way.
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And I'm just going to make you feel bad too.
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So I'm just thinking. This morning, I was driving one of my kids and he was a bit late and I started - you know - how can we get your sleep patterns better? That kind of conversation. And just suddenly realized, this is really not working. There was no confrontation or there was no drama. But immediately I could feel this is not going to help.
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So I just stopped and asked him how his bacon sandwich was or something.Thinking we'll do this later. Yeah. Was not the moment.
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Even though I need it to be now.
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It's not the right moment.
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Yes. So all these things aside, if you find that you're really overreacting a lot, and these things aren't actually helping you, do see someone. Some of us have had traumatic childhoods or relationships, or we just overwhelmed and there's no shame in getting some support, whether it's professional support, or friends who can help just calm you can be a touchstone.
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Because sometimes when we overreact, we feel really strong feelings of rage.
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You know, they're really big, and they're really horrible. And they, you know, they're really overwhelming. And to just say, Oh, just stop and take a breath, you'll be fine. It can sound really annoying. Yeah. So sometimes
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It can take medication to even to try and rebalance things.
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It's a process. Of course, you're not going to be able to stop that immediately.
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It's, you know, bite size bits of it. But yeah, maybe you need to go and talk to somebody about why you're feeling so angry, because it's again, it's pushing that balloon under the water, there's probably more down there.
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Yes. And finally, I know I've said this before, but it can't be said enough. If you're listening to this podcast, you're a great parent. Because only people who care are going to listen. I've had that with my parenting groups. If you're actually even listening to people talking about parenting, it means you care. So just pat yourself on the back and go oh, you know, I may not be great at this, but I'm doing the best I can and there are certainly no perfect parents here. We're all just trying to do our best. If you've enjoyed this episode, then why not help other parents tell your friends tell the school, subscribe to our podcast and it would be a massive bonus if you left a review. Now Susie can be reached on her own website, which is
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